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Tikal and Chaos, again


Chaclon ID:018817 2007/12/13 17:38:28
Why does she keep repeating:

The servers are the seven Chaos,
Chaos is power,enriched by the heart,
The controller serves to unify the Chaos

Can someone tell me what this means?
I think its something like;
The master emerald controls the seven Chaos emeralds-
Or Chaos does.

The Master Emerald does...


Gigazubyte ID:015441 2007/12/13 17:45:51
it also manages to include some bunk about positive emotions being the only way to harness the emeralds true power.

. . . . .


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/17 13:36:11
Tikal needs to STFU and go cook me some echidna snacks. . . and Chaos needs to stop trying to be so kryptic cause it's sooo last week. . .

By the way. . .

Did you know:
Echidna was the name of the mother of all monsters in greek mythology. Her hubby, typhus the giant was dubbed the father for some reason. but how a Chimera (for lack of a better explanation) and a giant can have baby hydras, flesh eating mares, cyclopsi, and other such babies is beyond me. . .
And where would he put his wanger if she's comprised of a thousand tendrils. I mean seriously. it'd be like doing a ball of yarn or something.

She also gave birth to Orthus...


Gigazubyte ID:015441 2007/12/17 14:27:08
who is not nearly as well remembered as his brother Cerberus because he only had two heads which is not nearly as badass as three. Typhon was the one with a hundred snake heads, Echidnae, yes, at least some spellings use an e, was just half snake, suprisingly boring for the mother of all monsters. And Hercules also banged her at some point. The chimera was another of her offspring.

Praise be to Hera (his name announced)


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/18 04:44:10
So someone else has studdied greek myth in this dark and dreary world. We may yet find commonality.

I'm sure you know the story of heracles. But do you believe the latest TV rendition would be more suited to the truth behind the myth? That he was no more than a strong man, born to a raped mother by a Cretian escapee of her husbands warship wearing his wedding cloak and bearing the mark of slaves captured by him, bearing zeus' brand on their bodies?

That perhaps there was less mythical and more of that in the story?

I feel it's quite believable myself. The woman believing the visible mark of zeus was a sign that it was zeus himself. However, the storyline was still filled with fantastical things such as dryads, nymphs, and fauns. That aside it was far more believable that Heracles was simply a strong man born of a large and powerful servant of hera's rape of a queen.

anyone could be that strong. . .


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/18 04:45:44
if they weight trained with a pony from it's adolescence to it's adulthood.

anyhow. . .


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/18 04:49:46
How do the personalities adversely affect a chao's luck?

I have a chao that seems to always get the jack in the box and the pitfall (not that the chao never wins. despite it's horrible luck).
And what personalities are best for the advancement of the luck stat?

also. . .


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/18 04:50:57
I've fed that little bitch a lot of gold animals as well.

Certain personalities cap luck at a much lower level...


Gigazubyte ID:015441 2007/12/18 12:58:15
if you want more details I can look up specifics, but there's one that caps it at ten, another at 50, I think, and one that doubles it.

Yes I want details.


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/18 16:22:41
I want to know which personalities are the most desireable for the maximum ammount of luck stat.

Naive is. Here's a full breakdown...


Gigazubyte ID:015441 2007/12/19 09:02:58
http://www.freewebs.com/sonichao/chaopersonalities.htm

Many thanks. :-)


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/19 09:20:14

Ah, but does it really matter whether the man was real?...


Gigazubyte ID:015441 2007/12/18 13:44:39
Greek myths almost certainly aren't accurate, but that doesn't prevent them from being excellent stories. And as for commonality, we have plenty. We're both human, after all.

There is truth behind a myth. . .


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/18 16:17:25
Many myths from many different regions and many different religions have the same basic principal story points.

The stories are ideally the same, only names and instances were changed.
My grandfather (an avid christian and christian theologist) made the point that biblically there were but three tribes. The sons of Adam, the sons of Caine, and the Syrians. The sons of Adam were hebrew, the sons of Caine were their mortal enemy, following a simmilar faith, but under false pretenses. The Syrians were gods hand of fate. The hebrews became arrogant, and far too many intermingled with other tribes not of the sons of adam. This is why the hebrews (whites) were disbanded and scattered. The seperate hebrew tribes formed their own variations of the religion, intermingled with that of the other tribes whom they intermingled. Thus rising the norse, the briton, the germanic tribes, and the rest of western europeans. This (my grandfathers take on it) was a good indication that the stories told in each culture spawned as far back as the second age of man (post garden of eden) when the sons of adam experienced these (stories). Later when they were disbanded, the stories were corrupt and the true version was lost. So if one were to look into it, and realize that a lot of mythical history is actual history (archealogical expeditions are unearthing more and more evidence of this every day). If this is true, then what's to say that your "myths" don't have some truth behind them?

Take Beowulf for example. . .


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/18 20:30:05
That particular story stems deep in european history, particularly that of the briton, angles, and saxon. I think even the jute.
A simmilar story (the same story, but the hero's name was quite different, and the demon was a witch) was told for generations in the byzantine empire, while the same variations were made in another region further to the south.
For those of you who don't know, the byzantinian empire was located somewhere south of france and east of italy. Also noted, that particular area (in biblical history) was in the path of Caines exile, where he left tribes and kingdoms laden in his wake. Cainites and Hebrews were from the same parentage (almost, for caine was the twin brother of Abel. Abel was the first son of adam, and Caine was the spawn of satan, who tempted eve with the fruit of knowledge, then seduced her (not long before she fed adam the fruit and did the nasty with him).

Therefore, the stories, I would imagine would spread through those areas and peoples like wildfire, seeing as they're actually closely linked to one another. The corrupted versions could be atributed to dialect differences, and imparted or omitted information perpetrated by the storytellers of a particular region (Caine took many slaves of many different tribes as he moved along his exile).

Even if the sons of adam and the sons of Caine is a bunch of bunk. . . Would it not be plausible that there were only but a few tribes, who branched off as extended families, and so on, and so forth, taking their own renditions of the same stories with them?

Actually. . .


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/18 20:33:15
if I remember correctly, they also had several myths simmilar to the greco-roman demigods like achiles and heracles, in the empires to the south. As far south as carthage. There are even grand similarities in Aegyptian and Romana mythology.

Also. . .


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/18 20:36:56
Certain myths have resounded throughout the ages and as far as the other end of the world about things such as Vampire, cloven hooved creatures tempting men and women with deceit, Wolf-men, and other such creatures of the night.
In fact, many burial rites include the paying of the boat-man which would seem to derive from greco-roman mythology as the river styx, however was noted long before the romans had come into power, or the greeks had become more than scattered tribes of barbarians.

Some would say i'm full of shit. . .


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/18 20:42:01
But if you happen to come across a comparrison to many old mythologies and their differing regions, you would find that the more you examine it, the more similarities there are. There are even records of Extra terrestrial entities comming down from the skies and being worshiped as gods in more than eleven noteable regions across the globe. In example, central american indians drew pictorials of the events, including the flying discs in the sky and egg shaped heads of the visitors. This can also be found in several pictorials in central europe, northern Africa, Eastern Asia, and north america (more recently than the others).

but it sounds like i know what i'm talking about.


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/18 20:46:49
So i guess that just means i'm a convincing bullshit artist.

A footnote to all aspiring bullshit artists


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/18 20:48:31
Dazzle them with lots of big words, and lots of redundant data.

Oh, I suspect most myths had some basis in truth...


Gigazubyte ID:015441 2007/12/19 07:40:32
the trojan war, for example, really happened. But I highly doubt Achilles slew twelve men just by shouting. Some of the similarity of myths does come from cultures intermingling, but some of it is just from human nature. There are certain kinds of stories we like to hear. Strong men fighting monsters is common all over, but I think that's more because of the nature of storytelling than the nature of truth. On the other hand, there very likely WAS a great flood at some point in history, or maybe several points.

Ever see "Troy"?


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/19 09:31:46
Although I believe Brad Pitt is a Ham, some roles he was born to play. The manly achiles, for one.As is depicted, achiles was unrivaled with a sword, and could chuck a javelin farther than any trojan had ever seen (mainly hector) and still hit a deadly implaing blow.
These traits in conjunction with a warcry of himself, perhaps signaling his myrmadons to charge and slaughter. . . Certain aspects could be metaphorical in nature. Though i do agree with you, regardless of my response. I'm merely sheding light on another plausibility.

I agree, that it's unlikely a man could roar and fell 12 men. Damn near impossible unless by some god-like act he was given some super sonic ability. Or they just so happened to be hit by arrows or javelins as he roared in their faces.

Whatever the case may be, i do agree, the far fetched, but colourful imbelishments are just that. But perhaps they're not falsities, but rather half-truths.

Bards would often add colour and flavour to the stew they learned how to cook by observing the chefs who died to become legend. However, such valour as to be so named in a war of tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands (and btw if anyone sees 300, it's partially bunk. There WERE 300 spartans against an army greater than 100000 persians. and they did occupy that area. but they were acompanied by about 5000 greeks and 2000 thesbians (not actors. residents of thesbia. Which even at that number was still an amazing battle. They fought in waves most likely, pressing to advance ground, and taking temporary ceasefire agreements in order to move the dead from the battlefield.
However one thing is true. . . The spartans were like the marine core of the ancient greek world. They were among the most powerful warriors in history, and by todays standards would be portrayed as chisled, grizzled greek war machines.

The allied Helots weren't really that much help...


Gigazubyte ID:015441 2007/12/19 10:26:58
As long as they were holding the pass where they could engage the enemy in small numbers head on the spartans were practically invincible due to better tactics, better men, better discipline, and longer spears. Once Xerxes got around behind them though, it made absolutely no difference how many Helots were there. The persian army was reported at over five million, divided into land at sea, and of that about half were soliders and the rest were sailors and other necessary persons for maintaining the army who could still use weapons if it came to that. They drained rivers dry and ate enough food to feed a small city for a year with every meal.

Indeed. . . But the armed forces accessible at the pass ammounted to a few hundred thousand


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/19 10:40:32
That is very true. had the persian spies not moved arround the long way and somehow instilled rumors within the ranks of the thesbians that their homes and families were being attacked (after the few had stayed to defend the pass so that the rest of the greeks could return to safety and regroup (What valour it would take to volunteer for a suicide mission simply to bide time for your bretheren's escape))

That's when things got compliacated, and they abandoned the fight altogether to defend their homeland. That's when the persions saw an oppurtunity to end the battle, and flank them through a mountain trail (from which they could still only emerge in narrow ranks). They couldn't get there by sea, and by land was covered with an army of superhero like soldiers (well in comparison to xerxes' soldiers who were weilding cheap made weapons and wearing hide armors).
So in reality, they could have held the pass for as long as their bodies could hold out. But that's the way of war. . . Oppurtunity comes and must be taken. Xerxes surely had numbers, but had the spartans been a quarter as many as those persians, they could have taken turns in the fight, and the rest (much like a muzzle loaded rifle line, rear team firing while front reloading, then switching). However it was never meant to be. Although it should be appearant that the greeks survived to fight another day. . . not that it did them any good in the long run.
I haven't seen the movie, but i've seen scenes, and one scene when the spartan throws the persian messenger into that pit. That actually was VERY spartan of him.

And it's been said that the persian casualties reached nearly 40% of their total land-based numbers


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/19 10:51:02

not bad for a handfull of spartans and some greek conscripts


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/19 10:52:01

The greeks destroyed them in the sea battle...


Gigazubyte ID:015441 2007/12/19 12:43:39
and at marathon, but mainly because Xerxes retreated with the bulk of his army. And much of 300 is based on fact. It was a well, not a random giant pit in the middle of town.

Indeed


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/20 08:34:06
Luckily a few years prior a man was brought into office (whom i forget the name of) as an official who used his own money to begin building warships because he had known for some time that the greek navy was a joke, however no one else seemed to care untill he came into a position of power.

Also note, that fucker was a true polititian, but he used his skills for the betterment of the greek peoples and their national defense. His name still escapes me, but you know he was an admiral in that same fleet making xerxes' navy wish they had glass hulls so they could keep tabs on their fellow fleets.

Are you thinking Pericles or Themistocles?


Gigazubyte ID:015441 2007/12/20 10:42:46

Pericles sounds about right.


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/20 17:33:07

However it could as well have been Themistocles.


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/20 17:39:16
>_< I'd have to watch a program on discovery channel to jog my memory.

In retrospect


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/19 10:44:53
Agamemnon and Menaleus could never have handled such a fight. Those whores would have been fucked. I'm surprised such organization, power, and militaristic prowess had ever come from sparta, however it did, and proper respect is due.

Even all this aside, i'd have to say were they to fight any other force at that time but the persians, they'd have dominated them.

However looking into the future a bit, at Temuljin. . . One could say the mounted horseback mongol bowmen were unbeatable. . . (unless it was raining. hide bows are useless when wet)
Or perhaps some of the more prominant barbarian tribes, (namely the Visigoth who walked right into the capital of the holy roman empire, and sacced it.)

And i realize you know all this


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/19 10:53:40
but most of our readers don't. :-P

However powerful all military forces in history were. . .


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/20 08:47:07
If stripped of all weaponry, and modern weaponry, equipment, and everything else. . . The United States Military is by far, the strongest in all of history. I am by far, no patriot. I wouldn't defend this country by flicking boogers. I'm stating my personal oppinion, which has been reinforced by my family (those who aren't profesor grade geniouses), who are quite prominant in the military (even some of those geniouses are involved. . . and they just can't stand how unpatriotic I am)


If you take any army infantry unit, stripped of guns and placed in a battlefield with any equal ammount of soldiers from any era in the past, equipped with the same. . . You'd see todays "grunts" would really pack a punch.
Not to mention the navy seals and the marine core.

Place them in a historical battle equipped with only the weapons of the era, and i would guarontee they'd dominate that battle.

One would hope we'd have learned from history...


Gigazubyte ID:015441 2007/12/20 10:45:47
if nothing else, people do get better and better at killing each other. However, the problem comes when we face down unequal numbers. Or Guerilla tactics. For some reason we can't seem to deal with those either.

Partly Psycological


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/20 17:32:21
I know if i was dumped in some strange dense jungle, or a strange land i nary knew the layout of, i'd be a little intimidated by the fact that the enemy was born and raised there.
Not to mention their killing tactics aren't all that less effective than the american militaries. However placing them on equal terms would prove to be an easy victory.

All in all, thermopolae may have been a flash in the pan. . .


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/20 17:35:13
but the greek peoples have little that comes close to that in both valor and gravity.

Speaking of greeks, my grandfather has graced me with a bit of wisdom to share with all of you.

How do you seperate the men from the boys in greece?

Answer:


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/20 17:36:45
With a greek crowbar.

Re: In retrospect


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/20 18:38:40
However i'd like to see the Mongols try to walk, let alone fight in the mountainous lands of Greece. They are, after all, a plains people.

That's probably what kept the greek culture from being swallowed up


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/20 18:40:20
by their unhappy neigbors. The fact that Greece was just one big rocky crag that some cliff dwellers just so happened to live on (yes i'm exaggerating, but greece is just a big mountain range)

and on top of that. . .


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/20 18:42:36
Invasions could have only come from the sea.

And as far as 300 is concerned


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/20 18:48:51
Even the guy that wrote and dirrected it admited that it only resembles the historical accounts. He dressed it up to make for a better movie. . . . , as if it wouldn't have been good enough. .. .
He said something about wanting it to look like his comic books, thus the dark environment settings and whatnot. I do believe though, it was like fighting in swamp. So much blood was spilled in that pass that the watter arround it would have run as crimson waves crashing into a shore of crimson mud. Imagine having to fight for days, taking breaks only to throw the dead into the ocean, and fighting in mud that had to be damn-near knee deep. That's hardkore shit.

Or through the mountain passes, which is how Xerxes got in.


Gigazubyte ID:015441 2007/12/21 03:35:57

I know a better battle than 300


®Prof. NohmNohmz™ ID:017807 2007/12/31 02:09:02
thermopolae(spelling may need correction) holds no comparrison to the hornberg!
>_<

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